According to left-leaning Wikipedia, actor and activist Danny Glover eventually supported then Senator Barack Obama (D) in the 2016 presidential campaign in what became his successful push for the White House. By contrast, Glover had opposed President George W. Bush (R). Wikipedia quoted him saying: “On the foreign policy of the Obama administration, Glover said: “I think the Obama administration has followed the same playbook, to a large extent, almost verbatim, as the Bush administration. I don’t see anything different… On the domestic side, look here: What’s so clear is that this country from the outset is projecting the interests of wealth and property. Look at the bailout of Wall Street. Why not the bailout of Main Street? He [Obama] may be just a different face, and that face may happen to be black, and if it were Hillary Clinton, it would happen to be a woman…. But what choices do they [most people] have within the structure?”[47]” It is against that backdrop that MHProNews and MHLivingNews has periodically provided readers the insightful view of Glover from the still-relevant and award-winning Shadows of Liberty documentary drama. Shadows addressed concerns of how media, money, and political power often dovetail in pushing a narrative that is warped, exhibits half-truths, ignores serious issues, and yet drives agendas not easily discernible to much of the public.
Glover has reportedly served on various nonprofit boards, including one funded by Warren Buffett. See that in reports linked here, here, and here – among others.
| from: | L. A. Tony K <latonyk@gmail.com> |
| to: | “Clayton, Kevin” <Kevin.Clayton@claytonhomes.com>, Leo <leo@forahouse.com>, Eric Hamilton <Eric.Hamilton@vmf.com>, Tim Williams <twilliams@21stmortgage.com>, MattWebb@21stmortgage.com, Lesli Gooch <lgooch@mfghome.org>, “Hodges, Tom” <tom.hodges@claytonhomes.com>, dgoch@wc-b.com, John Greiner <JGreiner@graydon.law> |
| cc: | Ron.Olson@mto.com, info@mfghome.org |
date: Jan 28, 2022, 3:56 PM
subject: Media Request for Comments to Tim, Kevin, David Goch, Lesli, and Leo
Tim,
As you may recall and MHI minutes should reflect, about 11 years ago you were leading a discussion in a breakout session of a Manufactured Housing Institute (MHI) meeting. A few dozen MHI members and some staff were in the room. I asked you why MHI has not pursued litigation to enforce its rights on issues such as the Manufactured Housing Improvement Act of 2000 (MHIA) and it’s so called “enhanced preemption” provision? You looked at me, smiled, and replied that at some point in time, MHI may need to do that. But prior to litigation, there were other steps that you/MHI wanted to see attempted first.
Q1) That said, hasn’t the intervening decade plus and the now 21+ years since the MHIA was enacted been enough time to wait until litigation by MHI is finally utilized to enforce the industry’s rights under federal law?
Please email your reply to that question and the following one, as you have in the past.
To preface the second question. Approaching 7 years ago, you told MHProNews in an emailed statement for publication that there was a good case to be made the industry should reply to every media report that had an error. In that same statement, you announced that MHI would be hiring a public relations professional. Presumably that communications professional would be doing such engagement with media and could also be used to promote the good news about manufactured homes during a growing affordable housing crisis. It is a role the late Bruce Savage sometimes did previously for the association in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
In recent years, MHProNews has periodically checked with local officials and media on precisely to see if MHI follow up on with them on controversial topics. Restated, has MHI reached out to address a factual, terminology, or other error in a specific report? To date, not one has said that either MHI or an MHI affiliate had contacted them in the wake of a news story or research.
With that backdrop, this question.
Q2) Does MHI have a record or evidence of any or all efforts made by the association to correct the record in a problematic aspect(s) to a news or research item? Can MHI provide such a record of engagement with media to correct problematic reporting?
Please email your reply for our mutual accuracy and handling in our planned reporting.
David,
You said in your capacity as outside counsel for MHI that MHI monitors news. You said that “the Institute” is swift to respond to something that is deemed disparagement.
Q3) Does that principle apply to disparagement of the industry and its products, or is it only about evidence-free disparagement of MHI?
Please email your response for our mutual accuracy in communications and reporting.
Additionally, MHProNews/MHLivingNews have been told by well-placed sources connected to MHI that there have been no known cases of MHI acting against a member firm that appears to have violated the MHI/National Communities Council (NCC) Code of Ethical.
Q4) That said, has MHI taken any action against any member that has apparently violated the provisions of the MHI-NCC Code of Ethical Conduct? If so, what evidence for that can you provide?
Q5) Doesn’t it seem odd that so many of the examples of so-called predatory behavior by manufactured housing industry members appears to have clear ties to MHI membership and/or membership in MHI state affiliate?
Again, please email your response for our mutual accuracy in communications and reporting.
Kevin and Tom,
You both testified to separately to Congress under truth in testimony provisions the harm done manufactured housing because of a lack of access to the secondary finance market. You also both cited data similar to what IBIS World and the Atlantic, among others, reported around that 2011-2012 timeframe. It seems obvious that MHI presently has millions of dollars in reserves that could be used for possible litigation. Additionally, MHI has several attorneys (in house, outside counsel, and corporate) available, beyond the ability to hire more outside counsel as needed. Additionally, MHI and others widely agree that if zoning/placement barriers were overcome and more competitive financing were available, that billions of dollars in additional sales annually could be expected. Meaning, such an investment in litigation of existing and favorable federal laws could yield a fine Return on Investment (ROI). That said, the following.
Q5) If MHI is sincere about working on behalf of “all segments” of manufactured housing, why hasn’t “the Institute” launched litigation to get the industry’s rights enforced under good existing laws? Given the long history of lack of enforcement of favorable legislation, why does MHI pose support for any new legislation when some of the solutions already enacted have yet to be enforced, per your own and MHI senior staffer Lesli Gooch’s own statements?
Please email your response for our mutual accuracy in communications and reporting.
Additionally, Kevin, you said in a video interview with Robert Miles, arguably a pro-Berkshire personality, that the industry (i.e.: MHI) was ready to do a national information/education campaign. You stated during that video interview some key facts that supported the timing of such a campaign. Such an effort you and Miles discussed was compared to the GoRVing effort by the recreational vehicle (RV) industry. As a related point, that GoRVing campaign is credit by that profession with improving acceptance and thus sales of RVs dramatically. In 1998, the Manufactured Housing (MH) Industry’s last high-water mark, MH outsold RVs by some 3 to 2. But today, that ratio is more like 4 RVs to each MH sold. So, once more, the promise of good ROI is evident for such an effort.
Q6) That said, why has that long-awaited campaign not occurred?
Q7) Why hasn’t MHI apparently responded publicly to the arguably false and/or misleading claims by Dave Ramsey and Ramsey Solution that disparage manufactured homes as losing value like a car driven off a lot when LendingTree, FHFA, and other research demonstrates that claims is not true?
Lesli,
As you may recall, you made a pitch for manufactured housing as part of the “racial equity” program advocated by the Biden White House. While that is a noble goal, it also begs the question.
Q8) Why did MHI and your NC MHI affiliate fail to even respond to the request for support from the black Taft family, black Mayor Pro-Tem (Rev.) Ivory Mewborn for a program that seeks to promote HUD Code manufactured homes?
Again, please email your response for our mutual accuracy in communications and reporting.
Additional Points and Summary
To document this inquiry, the BCC line are a few dozen MHI members, some attorneys, public officials and media from inside and outside of the industry.
You each know the drill. Please reply today and/or advise when a substantive reply can be expected. As these are hardly new questions, and several of you are in time zones that allow for a swift reply, that would be appreciated. We plan to publish a report for the industry on these and related topics on either Sunday and/or Monday.
Thank you.
Tony
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[title, and linked forwards followed] ##
Note that several of our exclusive reports originated with information provided by whistleblowers and tipsters. Some – perhaps most – of those tips have been from sources in the MHI orbit.
The forwards that were provided to those MHI corporate, staff, and legal counsel representatives on the date and time shown. Those included most of the reports for the week that was shown below, from Sunday – Thursday (1.27.2022).
In response to that message, an industry blogger sent an email to MHProNews. It suggested in part “Disconnect your lengthy email messages to MHI, et. al., from MHProNews, to make it easy for readers to print off what you’ve penned, reflect on it, and then maybe respond.”
It is an interesting suggestion. That noted, there are legal and reporting reasons why such inquiries should be included in the context of MHProNews and/or MHLivingNews. Those reasons are doubtlessly well understood by MHI’s leaders.
The following are some quotes that illustrate the questions put to those the email above addressed. Note that none of the MHI leaders responded. That is, of course, part of their God-given and constitutionally protected rights to remain silent.
But even that silence can shed light, so to speak. The correct questions illustrate concerns that others can ponder.
During an affordable housing crisis, when other factory builders are saying they will put their peddle to the metal, MHI member firms are largely dragging their feet on growth. That begs questions: why would S2A or MiTek – among others – publicly state their intention to grow robustly, while MHI members are often allowing double or more the normal delivery times for factory ordered homes pre-2021? When several other types of factory builders are pressing for growth to fill the needs of affordable, or even costly, housing, why would some of MHI’s top members not be doing the same?
Investigators in media, research, legal, or other issues have some standard questions they seek to get answered.
- Cui bono? Who benefits from a certain situation?
- And then follow the money trail. See who benefits financially in a given situation.
The status quo in manufactured housing has demonstrably resulted in steady consolidation. In the manufactured home community sector, that has seemingly accelerated. Several mainstream media outlets have made that observation.
By accident and/or design, that just happens to fit the investor relations presentations by several MHI members who openly say that they want to consolidate a ‘fragmented’ industry. Note that the collage of relevant quotations below can be opened in several browsers and devices to reveal a larger and easier-to-read size. Click the image and follow the prompts. You may need to use your escape or back key to return to this report. That noted, as MHProNews routinely does, we provide the facts and evidence that supports the allegations and concerns.
Among the questions that legal authorities, consumers, manufactured housing professionals, and others should ask are these.
- Is MHI seriously working for “all segments” of the industry, as their website and messages often claim?
- Or is MHI in reality working for consolidation, while posing to their smaller members that they want to benefit all?
If it is the latter, then MHI can hardly admit publicly that they are working to manipulate their own members – and thus the broader affordable housing and manufactured home markets – in ways that may violate federal and/or state laws.
This is one of several reasons why the RICO case cited below among our reports for the week in review should be of interest.
It would be hoped that other manufactured housing publications and bloggers would raise these issues directly themselves. In a sense, Frank Rolfe and Dave Reynolds do – but they are openly advocating for that consolidation. The others are largely or completely silent on these topics.
The right question(s) – for people who are willing to examine the evidence and see how it impacts themselves and others – can be revealing regardless if a direct reply, or not reply, is given. When someone or some organization fails to answer reasonable questions, that makes thinking souls wonder – why aren’t they answering? Given that MHI and several of these same leaders used to reply promptly to MHProNews/MHLivingNews, why are they no avoiding that same direct engagement? When Tim Williams/21st and others provided or asked for coverage, even paid for promoting their views on certain topics by MHProNews, why would they now avoid an outlet that they often praised?
Is there some legal reason for these professionals to hide? For those who are willing to look at what a law firm argued, see the below. Note that while that has not yet been successful, the defense wasn’t so much a claim that the argument was wrong as much as it was that the plaintiffs lacked legal standing; a valid but nevertheless technical dodge. Rephrased, with a proper predicate, that same argument could well prove fruitful.
If MHI and certain consolidators are manipulation the market, not only private attorneys but public officials could get involved.
Don’t miss today’s postscript on a not directly related matter that is raised by manufactured homeowner Kid Rock and Ron Olson, a Berkshire Hathaway (BRK) connected attorney at MTO Law. Those make a good bookend for the new report on MHLivingNews.
As a teaser, there is a working plan for MHProNews to cover other MHI member related legal issues, perhaps as soon as Monday. Later, an interesting legal case involving Clayton Homes is planned. Stay tuned for those reports.
With no further adieu, here are the headlines for the week that was to 1.23.2022 to 1.30.2022.
What’s New on MHLivingNews
What’s New from Washington, D.C. from MHARR
What’s New on Words of Wisdom by Tim Connor, CSP
What’s New on the Daily Business News on MHProNews
Saturday 1.29.2022
Friday 1.28.2022
Thursday 1.27.2022
Wednesday 1.26.2022
Tuesday 1.25.2022
Monday 1.24.2022
Sunday 1.23.2022
What’s New on the Masthead
Postscript
A thoughtful email from a reader at MHLivingNews who self-identified as a dentist said the following. The man said his ethnicity was Vietnamese. This is part of a longer message. “By the way, love your articles on the MH Living News. I wholeheartedly agree with you that freedom is NOT free, and unfortunately in this great country of ours, so many citizens do take it for granted due to lack of understanding. And your compassion to help them “see the light” is noble.
Keep up the good work and fight the good fight,”
While he did not say which article he was referring to, based upon other remarks, there are good reasons to believe it was one of these two.
There are reasons why millions of visitors a year come to that site, and millions of others come to MHProNews annually. Freedom isn’t free. It hasn’t been free since the biblical Garden of Eden.
Genesis says that in the beginning, God made man and woman free of sin. They, and we, were and are given free will. The first couple allowed the devilish serpent to tempt them into violating the one commandment God gave in the Garden. That was the edict not to eat the forbidden fruit of a specific tree. The devil convinced Adam and Eve to violate the one and only original commandment.
What occurred next for the first couple? Fear and shame. “In “Fear” is spoken of over 500 times in the KJV.” So says Soul Shepherding, and of those some 365 phrases of “fear not” occur. Given that two of the largest branches of Christianity have more biblical books than the King James Version (KJV), it seems likely that those totals are higher in other biblical texts.
Those notions are critical in our times, as well as in ages past. They are arguably a divine lesson for those who face off against modern Goliaths in other beyond manufactured housing.
That is useful for the inquiries shown in the first segment of today’s report, meaning the questions poised to of the so-called leaders of contemporary manufactured homes who hold key corporate and staff roles at the vaunted Manufactured Housing Institute (MHI). Dozens were advised of the inquiries that followed in this email sent on 1.28.2022.
Among those notified? Ronald “Ron” Olson, a named partner of MTO Law. Per the MTO Law website: “Mr. Olson is a director of Berkshire Hathaway, Western Asset Trusts and Provivi. He was a director of Edison International (1995-2014), a director of City National Bank (2001-2014) and a director of The Washington Post Company (2003-2017).” Note the connections with media, money, and Berkshire-owned Clayton Homes.
According to BoardSource: “One of the fundamental challenges that far too many board members and boards have is that they don’t have a strong understanding of their roles and responsibilities.” That is an issue that MHProNews has raised before for both corporate and nonprofits involved in manufactured housing to consider. If they see a problem, or what looks like a problem, they are legally obliged to bring that to the attention of the organization and/or the appropriate authorities.
Again per BoardSource: “This starts with an understanding of the fundamental legal duties of each individual board member, which include:
- Duty of Care — Each board member has a legal responsibility to participate actively in making decisions on behalf of the organization and to exercise his or her best judgment while doing so.
- Duty of Loyalty — Each board member must put the interests of the organization before their personal and professional interests when acting on behalf of the organization in a decision-making capacity. The organization’s needs come first.
- Duty of Obedience — Board members bear the legal responsibility of ensuring that the organization complies with the applicable federal, state, and local laws and adheres to its mission.
But that’s just the starting point, as boards have responsibilities that go far beyond these three legal duties. …”
It is with the email to MHI leadership above, and prior ones that included Olson (see the report linked below as an example), that a bounced message to him today could be an item of concern.
Turning a blind eye to possible wrongdoing is not a legal defense. That is something that Olson, as an attorney, certainly ought to be aware of on a professional level. That’s the position of the judge in the recently settled Ghislaine Maxwell case.
The following from the WND NewsCenter and the Western Journal is in some ways related to several of the concerns above. Note that since this report was published, the views of that new video is now over 2.7 million views. Note too that several polls shows approval of Biden is in the low 30s.
LIFE AND LEISURE
Kid Rock’s blistering anti-Biden song rockets up charts
America’s patience with president runs out
By Abby Liebing, The Western Journal
Published January 26, 2022 at 5:48pm
On Tuesday at midnight, Robert James Ritchie, known by the stage name Kid Rock, released an expletive-filled rant of a new song that rips into President Joe Biden and his COVID czar Dr. Anthony Fauci.
“We the People” already has over a million views on YouTube, so it’s clearly resonating with a significant part of the population.
Since Biden’s approval rating is so low and Fauci has become deeply unpopular, it should come as no surprise that Ritchie’s opening line, “We the people, in all we do, reserve the right to scream ‘f*** you,'” grabbed a lot of people’s attention.
On Tuesday at midnight, Robert James Ritchie, known by the stage name Kid Rock, released an expletive-filled rant of a new song that rips into President Joe Biden and his COVID czar Dr. Anthony Fauci.
“We the People” already has over a million views on YouTube, so it’s clearly resonating with a significant part of the population.
Since Biden’s approval rating is so low and Fauci has become deeply unpopular, it should come as no surprise that Ritchie’s opening line, “We the people, in all we do, reserve the right to scream ‘f*** you,'” grabbed a lot of people’s attention.
“‘Wear your mask, take your pills,’ now a whole generation’s mentally ill. Man, f*** Fauci,” Ritchie sang. “But COVID’s near, it’s coming to town, we gotta act quick, shut our borders down. Joe Biden does, the media embraces. Big Don does it and they call him racist.”
Ritchie went on to keep slamming the establishment media and Big Tech.
“F*** Facebook, f*** Twitter too and the mainstream media, f*** you too.”
He sprinkled in many refrains of “Let’s go Brandon” as well.
Amidst the f-bombs and the degrading of Biden, Fauci, the government, Big Tech and the media, Ritchie also made a call for unity.
“If you down with love and wanna make things better, all we gotta do is just come together. Weather the storm, and take my hand, then follow my lead to the promised land. ‘Cause we the people, we gotta unite, to follow that good time guiding light. Climb aboard this love boat, and rock that b**** up and down the coast,” the last verse goes.
Though plenty have seemingly embraced this anti-Biden anthem, there has also been severe criticism of Ritchie.
Rolling Stone ripped on the new song, saying that Ritchie tapped into the alt-right wing for his lyrics, kissing up to former President Donald Trump, but then hypocritically also called for unity and love.
“No one is discrediting Kid Rock’s s***ty lyricism after he dropped ear bleed-causing track ‘We the People’ on Tuesday,” Rolling Stone wrote.
“We’ll pass,” the outlet concluded in its headline.
But the singer’s latest single should come as no surprise.
Ritchie became an avid Trump supporter in 2016.
In 2020, he hosted an outdoor rally for the Trump campaign in Michigan that featured Donald Trump Jr. and Trump senior adviser Kimberly Guilfoyle.
He even expanded his merchandise line to include t-shirts that label blue states from the 2016 presidential election as part of “Dumbf***istan,” while the red states were labeled “The United States of America,” as Billboard reported.
Ritchie has never been known for elegant lyrics. His music tends to just be the angry honesty of Kid Rock, expressing his personal views.
But as his “We the People” gains popularity, it’s just one more sign of the growing discontent and even hatred of the current state of America.
This article appeared originally on The Western Journal. ##
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There is a battle over free speech rights and the increasing concerns over censorship in America. That concern is coming from certain voices across the left-center-right spectrum. Censorship is being accused by lifelong Democrats, who disagree with several of the problems involving America’s political leadership today. It is coming from the center and right, from those who are also being marginalized in their freedom of speech and reach, which involves attempts to shut down debate on issues that merit robust public discussion.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr on the left to WND News on the right are among those who are accusing the ruling corporate and political class in America of attempting to shut down their respective free speech rights. Kennedy and WND would disagree, for instance, on some climate change concerns. But on other issues, they would see things much the same.
The attempt to control “the narrative” by people of wealth goes to the heart of Danny Glover’s concerns, cited above. Note Glover supported Democrats, but then decried the actual results that former President Obama delivered. He went so far as to say that he sees little difference between former Presidents Obama and Bush 43. He is not alone in that regard.
When this writer lived in the Chicago metro, we would periodically tune into a progressive talk radio station. Some black callers would blast then black president, including using an irony filled nickname “Barack O’Bush.” It is much the same point Glover made in the quote at the top.
It is not about left vs. right, said Joseph “Joe” Pinion III. It is about right vs. wrong. These tweets are from Pinion for Senate Twitter feed.
The promise of Dr. King’s dream is vanishing!
Too many politicians are focused on Left vs. Right, instead of Right vs. Wrong.
I am running for U.S. Senate to unseat Chuck Schumer!
Join our fight to “Rebuild The Dream!” ➡️ https://t.co/EPpoldoDDH pic.twitter.com/tHj88c49X6
— Joseph Pinion III (@JosephPinion) January 17, 2022
Congrats to @WesleyHuntTX for his hard work earning incredible support for his Congressional campaign!!! He will be a fantastic Member of Congress! 🇺🇸https://t.co/iiTCHzfOvf
— Elise Stefanik (@EliseStefanik) January 29, 2022
‼️ FUN FACT ‼️
At some point, the “bad for democracy” crowd has to CHOOSE to stop doing things that are BAD for DEMOCRACY because it helps them win. 🤷🏽♂️
Just putting it out there…..
via @NYTimes https://t.co/AHtU6HQUni
— Joseph Pinion III (@JosephPinion) January 29, 2022
It’s Retirement Season for Chuck Schumer… welcome to 2022!
Pitch in to his retirement fund! https://t.co/WSIvd9IeoUhttps://t.co/KmY7H9QM86
— Joseph Pinion III (@JosephPinion) January 29, 2022
GOP U.S. Senate candidate @JosephPinion visits WNY: “In many ways (Chuck Schumer) has become the thing that he fought against. He is now an entrenched creature of D.C. He is the face of all that has gone wrong.”✅https://t.co/CsHSUlFIhf
— New York GOP (@NewYorkGOP) January 28, 2022
America is no longer working for #WeThePeople because of Career Politicians
No matter where you live, you can help us defeat #ChuckSchumer and begin to #RebuildTheDream
Join Us ➡️ https://t.co/utAPaxlS8I#Justice#commonsense #NewYork pic.twitter.com/W79T1Pjzdz
— Joseph Pinion III (@JosephPinion) January 21, 2022
Senate candidate @JosephPinion: “We have to deal with the fact that law enforcement is more at risk, communities are more in danger because these children were allowed to hijack our national conversation for justice reform.” pic.twitter.com/VawEYAEjBe
— Newsmax (@newsmax) January 19, 2022
Just in case you forgot… https://t.co/2XmXQ7oyKI
— Joseph Pinion III (@JosephPinion) January 8, 2022
Joe Biden promised to be the ‘return-to-normal’ president, says @JosephPinion. But he’s normalized nothing but “incompetence” abroad and the “building blocks of tyranny” at home. pic.twitter.com/QDUH6Th8ap
— Newsmax (@newsmax) November 13, 2021
.@JosephPinion: “America is in the midst of a full-blown Constitutional crisis and the people entrusted to help safeguard our democracy are too busy fighting over the role of government to recognize that our Republic may have just been hijacked in broad daylight.” pic.twitter.com/dVSTeKrjle
— Newsmax (@newsmax) October 3, 2021
To wrap this column up, there are foul-mouthed protests, and sophisticated ones illustrated in the above. Agree or disagree with Kid Rock, Pinion or Glover, who appear to be in opposite political camps, when carefully examined there are apparent points of commonality.
MHProNews has reached out to Pinion’s campaign to learn his positions on affordable housing. Stay tuned.
As a programming reminder, legal cases involving MHI members will be examined this week and in the near term. Stay tuned to the information that others in our industry are for whatever reasons not addressing on their own platforms. An example of an attempt at information dominance in MHVille, that directly and/or indirectly benefits those addressed in the email above? “We Provide, You Decide.” ©
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